Flipside: Alfred F. Frederick and Lucinda Bell Orr Frederick

Reproduced from a carte de visite
Moore's Photographic Studio
No. 54 North Side Public Square
New Lisbon, Ohio

In my recent attempt to gather all my research into one blog on each ancestor, my maternal great grandparents need attention. Over the years I would blog in bits and bobs about these folks; brick walls, happy dances, burials, reunions, photographs and on and on. Hopefully, this blog will draw it all together and fingers crossed, add something new.

The marriage of Alfred F. Frederick and Lucinda Bell Orr was the union of two early settler families of Columbiana county: Frederick and Orr. Additionally through the Frederick Family, the Betz/Bates surname and through the Orr Family, the Cannon and Fife surnames.

There are two Frederick Families living in the area. I descend from Nicholas and Catherine Frederick who came to Columbiana County, Ohio from Pennsylvania in the early 1800's.

Alfred F. Frederick

Alfred F. Frederick and his twin brother, Albert Frederick, were born on May 1, 1836 in Salem Township, Columbiana County, Ohio. (Incidentally, my maternal great grandfather and I share May 1 as a birthday). The twins were the second and third children born to Joseph Charles Frederick and Mary Betz Frederick, joining a one year old sister, Melvina Frederick. Joseph was engaged in the cooper trade, in Franklin Square, Salem Township, Columbiana County, Ohio.

1850 Ohio Federal Census
District 220, Salem Township
September 19, 1850

Joseph C. Frederick, age 42, cooper, born in Pennsylvania

Mary Frederick, age 40, born in Ohio, cannot read or write

Melvina Frederick, age 16, born in Ohio, attended school

Albert Frederick, age 15, cooper, born in Ohio, attended school

Alfred Frederick, age 15, cooper, born in Ohio, attended school

Juletta Frederick, age 12, born in Ohio, attended school

Isabel Frederick, age 9, born in Ohio, attended school

Isaiah Frederick, age 7, born in Ohio, attended school

William Frederick, age 5, born in Ohio, attended school

Mary A. Frederick, age 3, born in Ohio

On April 14, 1853, in Franklin Square, Joseph Charles Frederick, Jr. was born.

On June 4, 1853, at age forty five, Joseph Charles Frederick died at Franklin Square, Columbiana County, Ohio. He was buried in Washingtonville, Mahoning County, Ohio in Trinity Lutheran Church Cemetery.

Although the actual date is unknown, Albert Frederick may died between 1850-1860. I have been unsuccessful researching him.

Between the death of his father and twin brother and the fact that Alfred was now a man, he made the decision to move to Venice Township, Seneca County, Ohio to live with his married cousin, Sarah Ann Woollet Lepard, and her family.

Alfred F. Frederick
carte de visite
circa 1865

1860 Ohio Federal Census
Venice Township, Seneca County
June 7, 1860

Isaac Lepard, age 27, carpenter, value of real estate $500.00, value of personal property $231.00, born in Ohio

Sarah A. Lepard, age 24, born in Ohio

William H. Lepard, age 3, born in Ohio

Matella Lepard, age 1, born in Ohio

Alfred Frederick, age 24, clerk, born in Ohio

I have not been able to find out what Alfred's clerk job entailed. Was he working as a clerk for Isaac in the carpentry shop? Perhaps a clerk in the local grocery or hardware shop? I was checking to see if the railroad had come through Attica in 1860 and perhaps Alfred was clerking at the station. Attica was on a line later in the century.

Lucinda "Lou"Bell Orr

Lucinda, born on June 29, 1844 in Elkrun Township, Columbiana County, Ohio, was the daughter of William Morland Orr and Nancy Cannon Orr. Lou was the youngest child in the Orr family joining a brother and three sisters. William Morland Orr died in 1849 at the age of forty-five. Lucinda was only four.

Soon after her father's death, Lucinda's mother remarried, Elijah McCormick. Unfortunately, Elijah only lived a few years after the marriage. Nancy Cannon Orr McCormick "farmed" out her daughters to various relations and friends.

Lucinda "Lou" Bell Orr
carte de visite
circa 1865

The carte de visite was photographed by G. G. Webb, Columbiana, Ohio. Hand written on the back, probably by Lucinda is "Lucinda Orr, Fairfield, Ohio. With a little research I found that George G. Webb was in Columbiana in 1863 as an artist (1863 Civil War Registration Records). He and his son, John Webb, were photographers operating from a studio in Columbiana, Fairfield Township, Columbiana County, Ohio.

1860 Ohio Federal Census
Elkrun Township, Columbiana County, Ohio
June 12, 1860

Robert Bell, age 35, farmer, value of real estate $6000, value of personal estate $900, born in Ohio.

Dorothy Bell, age 26, born in Ohio.

William Longshore, 26, born in Ohio.

H.H. Musser, 20, laborer, born in Ohio.

Lucinda Orr, 15, born in Ohio, attended school during year.

The census in the same year, 1860, revealed that Lucinda Bell Orr had been "farmed out" to Robert Bell and his wife Dorothy Betz Bell, who were living in Elkrun Township. Robert is listed as a farmer on the census; however, he was also a dentist. I was told by a Frederick relation years ago that the Bells were good friends of Lucinda's mother, Nancy Agnes Cannon Orr. Perhaps Lucinda's middle name "Bell" was in honor of that friendship.

How, where and when Alfred Frederick and Lucinda Orr met is unknown. It is worth mentioning here that Dorothy Betz Bell and Alfred's mother, Mary Betz Frederick, were first cousins. Perhaps there was a Betz family gathering in the early 1860's and Alfred and Lou met there.

On October 22, 1868, thirty two year old Alfred Frederick married twenty four year old Lou Orr in Columbiana County, Ohio. The marriage was performed by Reverend James Reinhart, pastor of the Reformed Congregation in Fairfield Township, Columbiana County, Ohio.

The Frederick's welcomed their first child, a son, Albert "Burt" L. Frederick, born on July 29, 1869 in Franklin Square, Salem Township, Columbiana County, Ohio. Perhaps the baby was named after Alfred's twin, Albert Frederick.

1870 Ohio Federal Census
Franklin Square, Salem Township, Columbiana County
July 5, 1870

Alfred Frederick, age 39, laborer, born in Ohio.

Lucinda Frederick, age 26, keeping house, born in Ohio.

Albert Frederick, age 11/12, born in Ohio, born in July.

During the 1870's three children were born. William Walter Frederick, born on October 2, 1871 in Franklin Square, Salem Township, Columbiana County, Ohio. Robert Bell Frederick, born on October 25, 1873, in Franklin Square, Salem Township, Columbiana County, Ohio and named for family friend Robert Bell. Edna Mercedes Frederick, born on August 24, 1876 in Columbiana, Fairfield Township, Columbiana County, Ohio.

On April 8, 1880, my maternal grandmother, Martha Marie Frederick was born in Columbiana, Fairfield Township, Columbiana County, Ohio.

1880 Ohio Federal Census
Columbiana, Fairfield Township, Columbiana County
June 19, 1880

Alfred Frederick, age 47, railroad brakeman, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio.

Lucinda Frederick, age 35, wife, keeping house, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio.

Albert Frederick, age 10, son, attended school, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio.

Walter Frederick, age 8, son, attended school, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio.

Robert Frederick, age 6, son, attended school, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio.

Edna Frederick. age 3, daughter, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio.

Martha Frederick, age 2/12, April, daughter, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio. My maternal grandmother.

The brakeman would run from car to car on top of the train and turn a wheel on top of each car to stop the train.

This enumeration is the first that Alfred is listed as working for the railroad. He remained on the rails his entire life and his two sons, Robert and Albert were also employed in various positions with railroads.

I included a couple of additional names when I cropped the 1880 census report above. Notice the Robert Bell Family are enumerated directly under the Fredericks. Lucinda lived with the Bells and was enumerated with them on the 1860 Ohio census. Mrs. Dorothy Betz Bell is Alfred Frederick's first cousin 1 time removed.

Robert Bell, age 55, dentist, born in Ohio, father born in Delaware and mother born in New Jersey.

Dorotha Bell, age 47, keeping house, born in Ohio, father and mother born in Pennsylvania.

Thomas R. Bell, age 15, adopted son, student, born in Ohio, father born in Wales, mother born in Pennsylvania. Thomas Rodger Johnson is his legal name. Thomas married Cora Orr in 1885. He followed his adopted father into dentistry.

Lena D. Bell, adopted daughter, age 3, at home, born in Ohio, mother born in Ohio. Lena Dorothy Bell retained her adopted surname, although Maukerman is also listed on her Find A Grave.. She married Charles Homer Pfrimmer in 1892.

The Frederick Children
circa 1886

From left to right: Albert "Burt" L Frederick, Edna May Frederick, Robert "Bob" Bell Frederick, Martha "Mattie" Marie Frederick and William Walter Frederick.

I identified this cabinet card as Lucinda Orr Frederick. A deep dive into the approximate date this photograph was taken involved finding the photographer, D.C. Bryant. Naturally, I figured he studio was located in Lisbon, Salem or Columbiana, Ohio. Was I ever wrong. David C. Bryant operated a photography studio in Indianapolis, Indiana. The address on the card limits the years to 1886-1889. Now the question, what was Lou doing in Indianapolis? I have not yet located a relation she might be visiting. Did the Frederick family live there for a brief period of time?

Albert "Burt" Frederick followed his father into employment with the railroad as a brakeman. He was living as a boarder in the home of James A. McCready, an engineer with the railroad in Allegheny City, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. On September 12, 1889, twenty year old Albert married nineteen year old Georgetta "Georgia" E. McCready. Georgetta was born on March 10, 1870 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania to James A. McCready and Josephine Rawlings McCready.

One of the questions I have had, is when the Frederick Family left Columbiana County, Ohio and moved to the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania area. When Burt married in 1889, the Fredericks were still living in Ohio.

I have been able to piece the 1890's together through various newspaper articles and the obituaries of Alfred and Lucinda; although some of the time recollections in the obituaries is not 100% correct.

The Salem Daily News
Salem, Ohio
May 8, 1896
Page 5

The family moved from the town of Columbiana, to the town of Salem in Columbiana County, in the early 1890's. From two newspaper articles, they lived on Fair Street.

McKees Rocks, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

I wonder if Alfred is actually living in McKees Rocks, boarding there, while his family lives in Salem, Ohio. It makes sense as he would be on Pittsburgh and Lake Erie trains running between Pittsburgh and Fort Wayne, Indiana.

This was a shocking obituary. I learned that my maternal great grandfather had one of his legs removed during an accident in Youngstown, Ohio, while he was working as a brakeman. Again, he is listed as living in McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania. Is the entire Frederick family living there now? By the way, my maternal great great grandmother, Mary Betz Frederick was not buried with her husband, Joseph Charles Frederick in Washingtonville as mentioned in the obituary. She is buried in Franklin Square.

Alfred and Lucinda experienced the horrible loss of their son, William Walter Frederick on February 29, 1899 in Youngstown, Mahoning County, Ohio. The obituary mentions that his home was in Pittsburgh, which leads me to believe that the family has now relocated to that area.

Esplen, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
1902 map

Pittsburgh Daily Post
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
September 3, 1899
Page 13

No doubt now, The Frederick Family is living in the borough of Esplen, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. A small neighborhood sandwiched in between McKees Rocks and Shearden.

On September 3, 1899, twenty three year old Edna Mercedes Frederick married twenty six year old Henry G. Zeiger at her parents home, River Avenue, Esplen, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Henry, sometimes called Harry, was born on March 31, 1872 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, the son of Stewart B. Zeigler and Althea D. Gunning Zeigler.

1900 Pennsylvania Federal Census
Esplen Brough, Allegheny County
June 7, 1900

Alfred Frederick, head, born May 1836, age 64, married 32 years, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio, employed as a switch tender, renting a house at 614 River Avenue in Esplen.

Lucinda Frederick, wife, born June 1854, age 55 years, married 32 years, mother of 5 children, 4 alive, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio.

Robert Frederick, son, born Sep 1873, age 26 years, single, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio, employed as a railroad flagman.

Mary Frederick, daughter, born April 1880, age 20, single, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio, employed as a scool teacher. My maternal grandmother

Nancy McCormack, mother-in-law, born April 1817, age 83, married 65 years, mother of 6 children, 2 alive, born in Ohio, father born in Scotland, mother born in Ohio.

Woman switch tender

Great family information enumeration. Alfred continues to work as a switch tender for the railroad, at age 64, missing a leg. The switch tender was the employee who threw the switches to change the location of the tracks. Alfred had a house across from the railroad tracks in Esplen and would have been able to work locally.

Robert Frederick followed his father into employment with the railroad. Alfred's oldest son, Albert was also a railroader.

My maternal grandmother, listed as a "scool" teacher. She never mentioned teaching.

And then there is my maternal great great grandmother, Nancy Agnes Cannon Orr McCormick. Without the 1890 census, I have no idea if she was living with one of her living children, or on her own. How long had she been living with her daughter, Lucinda? Was she able to visit her sister, Mary Cannon Hoffstot, who was living in Allegheny City, not too far away? Mary died in September, 1900, was Nancy able to go to the funeral? This is the last document I have found for my great great grandmother. I have no idea when and where she died or where she is buried.

Three Face Goblet

The Three Face design was produced in Pittsburgh beginning in the late 1800's at the George Duncan & Son's Factory. The designer was John Ernest Miller, a mould shop superintendent and designer. His inspiration for the design of the face was his wife.

I was told that Lucinda had a collection of Three Face and after her death, her son, Robert Bell Frederick, stored the glassware. Apparently, when Bob died, his wife, Mary Alice, gave one piece to her granddaughter as a keepsake and the remainder went to the Salvation Army.

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I have a small collection of sterling silver "F" engraved teaspoons. Again, more pieces from my maternal grandmother's estate that have survived for over a century. Alfred and Lucinda had some nice "house wears".

5125 Liberty Avenue
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

The Frederick's have moved up into the Pittsburgh area in the Bloomfield neighborhood. Alfred continues to work as a switchman and my maternal grandmother is a clerk at the Frick Building. Shockingly the house they lived in at 5125 Liberty Avenue has survived.

The Evening Review
East Liverpool, Ohio
12 September 12, 1906
Page 8

Lucinda and her brother Matthew Thomas Orr kept in touch over the years. I have not seen Alfred Frederick listed as a conductor. Must be journalistic license.

On June 20, 1906, thirty two year old Robert Bell Frederick married twenty five year old Mary Alice Bradley in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Mary Alice was born on October 1, 1880 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania the daughter of William Bradley and Mary Elizabeth Pickering Bradley.

The Frederick's have moved closer to the Monongahela River in Pittsburgh in the South Oakland area. The house no longer exists; however the street nearby, Ophelia, may have the same housing stock as Craft Place had in the day. They are single family brick homes, many with porches.

1907 postcard
Frick Building,
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Alfred, at age seventy one, continued to work as a switch tender. My maternal grandmother was employed as a stenographer at the Frick Building. At the time, the Frick Building was the largest in the city, having twenty floors. Stenographers were typists and it was a more skilled job than a secretary.

This is a curiosity. The photo pin (photo button) was found in a small leather jewelry box among my maternal grandmother's estate. A pin with her mother's photograph. Apparently, in the early 1900's, photo buttons were popular.

127 Sprague
Bellevue, Pennsylvania

The Frederick's moved to Bellevue, Allegheny County circa 1907-1908. The photograph above has written on the back, Mrs. Frederick, 127 Sprague, Bellevue.

Lucinda Orr Frederick
with a kitten

67 Jackson
Bellevue, Pennsylvania

Lucinda Bell Orr Frederick, died at age sixty five, on December 15, 1909, at home, 67 Jackson, Bellevue, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.

Lucinda was buried in Columbiana Cemetery, Columbiana County, Ohio on December 18, 1909.

The Pittsburgh Press
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
16 December 16, 1909
Page 4

The Evening Review
East Liverpool, Ohio
16 December 16, 1909
Page 4

Obituaries can be helpful piecing a life together. Sometimes there are inaccuracies. The Fredericks moved from Salem to various places in and around Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1898 or 1899. The last two years of Lucinda's life were spent in Bellevue.

Areas in and around Pittsburgh where the Fredericks
lived from 1898-1909

1910 Pennsylvania Federal Census
Bellevue, Allegheny County
May 2, 1910

Robert B. Frederick, head, age 31, married one time, married 3 years, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio, employed as a conductor with the railroad, renting a house at 67 Jackson, Bellevue, Pennsylvania.

Mary A. Frederick, wife, age 26, married one time, married 3 years, mother of 2 children, 1 living, born in Pennsylvania, father born in England, mother born in Pennsylvania.

Donald B. Frederick, son, age 6/12, born in Pennsylvania, father born in Ohio, mother born in Ohio.

Alfred F. Frederick, father, age 73, widower, born in Ohio, father's birth is unknown, mother born in Germany, employed as a switchman with the railroad.

Martha M. Frederick, sister, age 30, single, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio, employed as a stenographer with a bridge company.

Possible photograph taken in 1914
at the wedding of my maternal grandparents
Alfred Frederick is the man on the left and Martha Frederick
is on the right. Charles Stark is the man standing in the back.
Photo is made up with Stark family and
Martha's female co workers.

On June 10, 1914, my maternal grandparents married in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Thirty four year old, Martha Marie Frederick married thirty three year old, Charles Edward Stark. Charles was born September 23, 1880 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, the son of Charles Stark and Wilhelmine Catherine Schwarz Stark.

318 McKinley Avenue
Avalon, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

1920 Pennsylvania Federal Census
Avalon, Allegheny County
January 1, 1920

Robert B. Frederick, head, rents a house at 318 McKinley Avenue, age 46, married, born in Ohio, both parents born in Ohio, employed as a traffic manager with a contracting engineer.

Mary A. Frederick, wife, age 39, married, born in Pennsylvania, father born in England, mother born in Pennsylvania.

Donald B. Frederick, son, age 10, single, attending school, born in Pennsylvania, father born in Ohio, mother born in Pennsylvania.

Robert B. Frederick, son, age 8, single, attending school, born in Pennsylvania, father born in Ohio, mother born in Pennsylvania.

Alfred Frederick, father, age 83, widower, born in Ohio, both parents born in the United States.

Robert Bell Frederick was employed with the Heyl and Patterson Engineering Firm as a traffic manager. My maternal grandfather, Charles Edward Stark was also employed as a traffic manager. He was a numbers cruncher, accountant.

Wondering if Alfred ever was able to leave the house. With his leg missing and probably outfitted with a prosthetic, getting up and down all those stairs had to be next to impossible.

I have a collection of photographs of Alfred Frederick, most taken with his grand daughter, my mother, Martha Jean Stark.

The photographs ended in 1924. It took me many years of searching to find out what happened to my maternal great grandfather since he did not die until 1927. I could not locate a death certificate in Allegheny County. As more records were added to ancestry.com, at long last I found him. He was sent to the Railroad Men's Home in Highland Park, Illinois and died there on February 9, 1927 at age ninety.

The Salem News
Salem, Ohio
February 11, 1927
Page 5

Alfred F. Frederick was buried beside his wife, Lucinda Bell Orr Frederick in Columbiana Cemetery, Columbiana, Columbiana County, Ohio.

Pittsburgh Daily Post
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
12 June 12, 1927
Page 33

Alfred Frederick is sitting in a wheelchair beside the nurse

What a wonderful surprise to find this article. From Alfred's obituary I learned that he was a Mason. From this I found out that Alfred had been employed for forty years with the Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Railroad and that the name of the Home was Home for Aged and Disabled Railroad Employees of America.

Children of Alfred F. Frederick and Lucinda Bell Orr Frederick:

Albert "Burt" L. Frederick, born on July 29, 1869 in Franklin Square, Columbiana County, Ohio, died on June 26, 1924 in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois. Married first, Georgetta E. McCready on September 12, 1889 in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. They had two sons, Raymond Alfred Fredrick 1889-1961 and Harry Harr Frederick 1894-1940. Married second, Louise Marie Saltzer, unsure of actual date. One child, a daughter, Sarah L. Frederick 1906-1927
William Walter Frederick, born October 2, 1871 in Franklin Square, Columbiana County, Ohio, died on February 22, 1899 in Youngstown, Mahoning County, Ohio.
Robert Bell Frederick, born on October 25, 1873 in Franklin Square, Columbiana County, Ohio, died on January 27, 1959 in Avalon, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Mary Alice Bradley on June 20, 1906 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Children: William Walter Frederick 1907-1909, Donald Bradley Frederick 1909-1958 and Robert Bell Frederick, Jr. 1911-1976.
Edna Mercedes Frederick, born on August 24, 1876 in Columbiana, Columbiana County, Ohio, died on January 25, 1961 in Wilkins Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Married first, Henry G. Zeiger (first name sometimes listed as Harry and surname often listed as Ziegler)) on September 3, 1899 in Esplen, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Children: Alethea Marie Zeigler 1899-1901, Robert Caldwell Zeigler 1901-1902 and Mary Alethea Zeigler Quinn 1903-1969. Married second, William Clinton Gween between 1910-1918 in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania.
Martha Marie Frederick, born on April 8, 1880 in Columbiana, Columbiana County, Ohio, died on January 6, 1971 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. Married Charles Edward Stark on June 10, 1914 in Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. One child, a daughter, Martha Jean Stark Hughes 1921-1999. My grandparents and mother.

In 1997, a relation, Ted Frederick, sent me a comprehensive listing of the descendants of Nicholas and Catherine Frederick. My link must have been done in the early 1900's, although even late 1890 events are not listed. Of interest is Alfred's nickname of Nick. I have also seen Fred. And, my maternal grandmother referred to as Mattie.

There are numerous blogs on Flipside for the Fredericks. The alphabetical listing is a good resource as is the search engine. Below are direct links for Alfred and Lucinda.

Alfred Frederick and Lucinda Orr--Marriage Record--Fearless Females #4

-Alfred Frederick and Lucinda Orr Frederick--Tombstone Tuesday

-Alfred Frederick--Train Accident 77th Carnival of Genealogy

-Alfred Frederick--Monday Madness

-Alfred Frederick--Place of Death

-Frederick Family--Pittsburgh City Directories

-Lucinda Bell Orr Frederick--16th Smile for the Camera--Bling

-Lucinda Bell Orr Frederick

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